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Re: Picking Threads
I_KNOW_WHOM_TO_CLONE ( 01/06/2005, 14:00:05 )Quote: "Ok we have a differenc of opinion then. In my experience lies do more harm than good. The test of our two theories would be to look at two societies, one in which most of the people believed in a vengeful God and one that was primarily secular. According to your thesis the society where more people believed in a God should have a less violent society (right?)."No.If you make a god of war a supreme god in some society, and ten comandments - no three, would be: crash, kill and destroy; then you could expect them to be wiped-out (in any way) in no-time. ... There is not "my thesis". The thing you said last is not my oppinion. YOU said it first.I said that you COULD (only: COULD!) use religious superstition to make people less violent, not that it (religious superstition) NECESSARILY DOES so generaly.Muslim extremists (the active ones - terorists) are under a superstition (a lie) used for the BAD PURPOSE (curiosity: you considered the exact opposite of what I was talking about: lie for a good purpose (e.i. I was talking about PUNISMENT for bad deeds, and you was disscussing around REWARD for doing a bad thing (e.g. going to Alah's heaven when you blow-up what some crazies say you should blow-up in the name of Alah (something that doesn't exist actualy))))... I mean: what a hell are you crapping about? You are really doing some hard job trying to turn things the way around.I just said that religion CAN (and doesn't have to) be used in purposes I explained. I said that concepts already given in religion CAN (and do not have to) be used for purpose of good.You can only WANT(!) "my opposite thesis" or "my opposite oppinion", as there is no actual one. I agree that lies CAN do more harm than good. ... There is no difference in oppinions. Where is the argument?... ... :confused:The question was around the statement "religion will always be needed in certain aspects of society"; remember? - By that I ment CERTAIN(!) ASPECTS contained (a fact) in today's religions viewed from the present standing. And I explained what specific aspects (not the other ones, esspecialy not the opposite ones) I had in mind (which you could so obviously see) - e.i. you COULD (and you don't have to) expel religion completely, but even then (and this is the point) you COULD (and don't have to) still find use for some of it's elements for a good cause (e.g. avoiding to tell a child that the fact is that it, you, she, he, them, everybody will certenly die at the end no matter what (having in mind today's technology, not sci-fi (nor scientific) speculations (nor knowledge))). (when writing a reply to you one needs a knowledge of law principles or better yet a lawyer...)Who said that my oppinion isn't that "lies do more harm than good"?!?You are the first one to implicate such a concept here (in whatever context)! ...I think your problem is that you seek to give just a contra-argument, and not to seek for the truth (which makes YOU predictible) - considering your aditude. But you will tell me that it is not correct. Right? And that's because you thought you understud me, but I tell you: you didn't. That's at the base of this.***************** Shortly (regarding this whole thing): It is only a question of how you use religion. ***************** (e.g. good or bad purpose (which makes it harder to figure-out having in mind that everybody considers himself the representative of justice (people view justice differently), so: what is bad purpose to you might be considered as a purpose of good for somebody else (vice versa) (fact)))I speak for the REASON - if you consider something REASONABLE (e.i. checkable truth) then it is my oppinion too. If you consider something that I've said UNREASONABLE then you missunderstud it, so you better try to look for a way to set it straight - in order to understand what I actualy said there (read between lines, I can't write-down every single f* thing).You can full-around even with this last statement of mine, but - what's the use(!?), is there something constructive we could accomplish with it? Idle bastards... Picking threads... Go pick your sweater, make a gobelin or something...You know what? ...I'm out of this dump.
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