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libfemme ( 09/30/2003, 08:38:52 )I'm not sure whom us is? Can you define who you mean when you say us? I can tell you what I assume you mean so you tell me if I am correctly reading your mind.On the face of it, without any qualification from you I would take us to mean every living person on Earth. You seem, to me at least, to be saying "God doesn't want every one of us on Earth to be identical in everyway." Ok that's no problem. Not even clones are identical in every way.That argument is what is known as a strawman. A strawman is the name given to an artifical argument that no one is actually advocating. It's like saying transplant organs should not be available because all of us shouldn't have transplant organs. Of course not! Only the people who need new organs to save their lives will ever want to transplant organs! In other words no one in favor of cloning, that I know of, has advocated that every person on the planet be cloned. Nor for that matter can I think of one reason why everyone on the planet would ever actually do that. I mean we can't get everyone to agree on the same political system or the same religion. How could we expect that everyone on the planet would want to clone a baby? So what are we really talking about? What kind of people are seriously going to use cloning if it is available? Well, I do know some people who cannot conceive by any other method currently but who could have a baby by cloning. These people are infertile by any other method and represent a small minority of the population. How many? Well lets look at what the numbers are for something similiar; Invitro fertilization, so called test tube babies, which have been possible for about 20 years now. In all that time how many babies have been born using assisted reproduction? Out of the 6 billion (6,000,000,000) people on the planet what percentage have given up natural reproduction and paid thousands of dollar to have children by IVF? Half of the world? A quarter? 1/6? which would be 1 billion people? Not even close.Something like 400 thousand (400,000) babies have been made worldwide over 20 years using assisted reproduction. That's a drop in the bucket compared to 6,000,000,000 people on Earth.But how many people would use cloning? Even less than the people now use IVF. Only a fraction of the infertile people, those few who cannot benefit even from IVF, would use cloning The highest estimates are something like 50,000 people worldwide and that's over several decades.The number of babies made by cloning will be minuscule compared to the number of natural babies that will exist. It will even be minuscule compare to the number of natural twins that we accept now! So where is this idea that someone is advocating that all of us become identical in every way? It's a false argument. The argument is that a few thousand people who need the procedure should be able to have it.Now back to the rest of your question. What is this bit about identical in every way? Because no one in this plane of existence knows how to make a person who is "identical in everyway". It can't be done. You can make someone with the same genome. But they will never have the same parents, the same school, the same experiences. They won't even look exactly alike. Take a look a the clones we have now of animals. Click on the link below. 8 identical Jersey calves. Can you tell them apart? I sure can.They are genetic copies and yet, and YET they are not the same in looks. Why? Because genes don't determine everything! The location of patches of color on cows, kittens and other animals is random depending upon conditions in the womb that no one can predict. God seems to have a way of making even clones slightly different.So to restate your question: Can God accept 50,000 babies on this planet with genes that are identical to some one elses but who are not identical in every way? Yeah, he can.God works through people. He feeds everyone. But he doesn't put cereal boxes in their cupboards. He gives them the means to go to work and earn their food themselves. For thousands of years God has kept the means of cloning secret from us. Now he has revealed them. I don't think God will have any trouble distinguising individuals on this planet, cloned or not. He's just waiting to see if we are mature enough to accept it also.
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