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Deceive, inveigle, and obfuscate
SC ( 10/23/2003, 04:07:09 )This is not a post made up of reasoned arguments made with the intent to inform; it's a mass of obfuscation and self-contradiction. You have mentioned elsewhere that you are pushing back the boundaries of science and medicine, that people who work on cloning are medical scholars like you, and that you work in neuroscience. You seem to have worked on means of growing cells outside the body. I didn't see enough clues as to how I could find your work on pubmed, but what I can garner leads me to believe that you are working with stem cells, perhaps to try to replace lost or damaged cells. Since the kind of cloning that people are most interested in, and which you have avoided talking about, is that which would aim to provide a source of replacement cells for transplant and the treatment of injuries or degenerative diseases, I assume that you are working toward much the same goal as people doing cloning research. Why, then, did you make your entrance on this board by essentially declaring war on yourself? Why have you continued to condemn research that is so close to your own?I am aware that cloned animals have defects, and that cloning doesn't work the way it should yet. If it did, there would be no point in conducting research. Whether people are aware of the technical details and hurdles involved or not, however, their primary question as I see it is not "Can we do the things which cloning is promised to ultimately accomplish?" but "Should we try to accomplish these things?" Even if cloning is surpassed by some other discovery, similar questions will be asked with regard to any technology that shows similar promise.I haven't found your comments any more enlightening than those of less educated people. You use the same tactics that afraid or uninformed people do: the shotgun approach (touching on as many different emotional hot buttons as possible, implying that with so many statements made, one of them must be right), attacking scapegoats (calling for a bans on things that most people wouldn't do even if they could), blaming the victim (implying that if people are infertile, they deserve it), setting a double standard (saying that reproductive cloning must work perfectly the first time, unlike virtually every other medical advance ever made), engaging in character assassination (implying that people who support cloning are inherently more vain or selfish), and abnegating responsibility (implying that evolution will take care of everything and it's not our place to direct it). You just surround your rantings with a little more irrelevant data. One of the reasons that cloning and stem cell research have had trouble gaining public acceptance, as I see it, is that there's so much backstabbing among people who ought to be supporting each other by sharing information between themselves and the public. Thus far, it appears to me that maybe your research is making less headway than someone else's, and you're here to trash the competition. You sound like you're using the word "cloning" as a pejorative, but not telling us what form of research you're engaged in, perhaps in hopes that public support will be withdrawn from someone else's research and not yours. Or maybe you're concerned that although your work isn't aimed at treating infertility, infertile people might profit from it without paying you anything. As such, you are providing some insight into how the research community fails to serve the public interest, but it takes a lot of reading between the lines to interpret; it's like listening to one of the conspirators on the X-Files.If you really want to contribute something to this board, tell us what conflicts you encounter in your work (private versus public interest, for instance), and what you think the best method would be to resolve them.
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