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I don't get it
libfemme ( 04/19/2004, 08:26:45 )I don't see anything mysterious about cloning. You take the genes out of one cell and you put them in another. Nothing psychic or mystical about it. In fact you have have to have a great deal of real world focus in order to know how to do it.But from glancing over your scenario I do wonder how you would intend to raise a person from infanthood without any brain. I mean we have enough trouble trying to figure out how nature does do things. How can be come up with a way to grow a person the way nature "doesn't" do it? Isn't it easier to follow along nature's pathway first before we trying altering that path? And if we can make a clone that turns out to be just another baby, why would we ever want to make a living thing that was a comatose vegetable? Vegetables don't exercise. Their muscles wither and atrophy.If you could put your brain into a brain-dead body, you'd be a mind in a bedridden body. A grusome thought.Of course you talk of reducing your memory to an electron impulse and zapping the brain of the clone with your electronic signiture. Presumably the clone would then awake having your memories. Which is nice for the clone but you'll still be dead. There would be someone in the world who was living your life but it wouldn't be you. In fact, it's more likely that your wife or love ones would decide to have you cloned rather than keep your creeky old body alive. You might have to watch out for them making a clone of you and then tossing you aside. And what would the clone be? He has a brain that thinks he's you, but you're not the one thinking his thoughts. Someone who thinks they were born 50 or 60 years before they were, that they did thinks they never did, achieved awards they never achieved, are delusional. People who think they're Napoleon we lock up in mental hospitals. I'm afraid the clone could not pass the sanity test.But let's say anyway that Joe X is 65 and he's got 20 more years to live. So he clones one of his cells. He'd better start now because that's how long it takes a human to grow to physical maturity. Unless Joe wants to be an adult mind in a kids body. Not the optimium situation unless you've got Mom still alive to support you.So say Joe X solves that problem by deciding to raise the kid to adulthood himself. Who is he going to get to gestate that cell in her womb? Even a cloned embryo is an embryo. It needs a human womb to nurish it for 9 monhts. Let's say Joe finds a surrogate mother. Since I've known women who have been surrogates for couples I know that the process is not without emotional attachement on the part of the surrogate. She oftens sees the babies after they are born, even if they are not biologically hers. She feels an protectiveness. So do mother who give up their babies for adoption.So what is the surrogate mother's opinion of the fact that at some point Joe X plans to lobotomize this bubbly new born infant? Where is Joe going to house this brain dead kid for 20 years after that? Cloning does not speed up growth remember.If the kid turns 20 but has no brain, then he's never exercised and so his body is wasted and atrophied. On the other hand, if he has a brain, he's going to figure out that as soon as he hits 20, his "father" Joe is going to have his mind wiped. Why? Well because Joe junior is a clone of Joe, so he thinks like Joe, so he knows that's what he would do to a clone!Of course Joe Senior, knows that Joe junior would be suspicious and planning to escape before his 20th birthday, because that is exactly what Joe Senior would have done in his situation at 20.In fact as I see it. Joe junior escapes and makes a new identity for himself (what's to lose, he has no identity set up at 20 anyway). Joe senior expires before he can find him. And Joe junior is free to live his life, until he gets to be 65 and he is suffering from the same degenerate diseases Joe senior had. Then Joe junior starts thinking maybe he should start a clone of himself....This could go on for generations. There would always be a person who looked like Joe. Who had identical genes to Joe. But who would be an entirely separate person. That's a physical if not mental immortality. But hey we have that already. It's called grandkids.
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