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Re: Those RELIGION vs EVOLUTION comments... Really...
I_KNOW_WHOM_TO_CLONE ( 12/15/2004, 16:24:21 )Quote: "You still haven't said the origins.When I mean origins, I mean "WHERE IN HECK'S NAME DID THE STAR THAT EXPLODED COME FROM DANGIT!?" OR was it always there?"It is still not explored, not dscovered. Example: chatolics didn't know about continent (latter named) America, but it existed all the time. They thought Earth is flat, and that there are no other continents except the ones they knew. After a while they explored and discovered the truth. The same will be with the Universe and the Space itself.So, don't expect that I (nor anyone else) will give you exact checkable explanations right now (just like someone in the past (before "America" was discovered) couldn't draw a map of that land, even without the islands).I'm only saying that science tries (and suceeds) to show and give the right direction (the way) towards discovering the truth (which is one), and religion doesn't. (and also it isn't its (religion's) goal (as I've said so much times before)).I've told my theory: the first matter is created from condensed space (condensed particles Space itself consist of). So: first it didn't exist (just space particles), and then latter it started to exist.Quote: "Could nature have created us?Perhaps...but who or what created nature? Big Bang? Particles in space? How did it get there?What created it?"What do you mean by "nature". It should mean: all the environment on the Earth. As I've said: Earth was dead at first - like today's Mars. Only rocks and lava and dust; AND ONE MORE THING: WATER - a neutral transporter of mater which allowed all sorts of molecules and atoms to come into contact and react to echother, water acted like a catalyst. Imagine that you pour watter on Mars - that's sort of what Earth looked like - rocky and soaked. By coincidence a molecule that replicates itself was constructed from other supstances, and it covered and spread all around - replicating itself, it got more complex, etc. It evoleved and from it all today's life evolved. Imagine that every second of zigot's/embryon's/fetus's life is one generation in evolution of life-forms on Earth. Take that literaly! Pay attention to details. Actually (coming from that) we still cary that process from the begining, and every time (e.i. in every creature) it's used from begining. Only, there are changes in SOME generations (which is: evolution) after the final step in development of a unit; that change takes the complete procedure (for the next generation) one step further each time or modifies it for the next generation. (I think I've explained it right)So: in some generations (already advanced to microorganisms) there was only cycling of the SAME constitution of generation of beings consisting of SINGLE-CELL (today: zigot states), in generations latter it became more complex (today: embryon states), numerous of steps latter it was even more complex (today: fetus states) and so on...********************************* WHAT WE CALL 'US' TODAY ISN'T CREATED, IT BECAME FROM LOWER ORGANISMS. *********************************I don't see where is problem in your understandng... Maybe in the very base?--------------------------------- LOOK HERE (!!!!):The crucial word in creation of first "thingie" that had the property of life, is "COINCIDENCE".Nobody willingly created it, it was all a coincidence. In order for coincidence to happen you have to have conditions. Those conditions are also coincidence. (look how many planets (around so many stars) didn't have that LUCK, so they don't have ground with life on it; then you'll maybe understand)We are all coincidence - you still don't believe? Then:Question: Tell me: why do you look like you look? Answer: Spermatozoid and ovum combined and thus you were created. Why was it: exactly that spermatozoid and that ovum? Each pair brings whatever different combination of genes from both parents - look at your brothers and sisters! Let's go further more: why were your parents connected, and not some other two persons? Why was you created in that turn of menstruation and ejaculation? Why did that exact spermatozoid entered egg of all the others swiming around; what motion did that? And so on!The answer is simple: COINCIDENCE. (out of vast numbers of posibilities)One act of yours sets entire future and all that comes out of it... (Wow! That can become my motto!)---------------------------------------Hmmm... You really don't read my texts! I already explained this in good way. Remember??: "God = Generaly Organised Diversity".If there is any concept of GOD then it's equal to concept of the term COINCIDENCE. Then: GOD=COINCIDENCE Then: there is no use for a term "GOD" (because we already have term COINCIDENCE) Then: there is no GOD --------------------------- Or on the other hand (if you will): concept of GOD is an idelistic imaginary embodiment of the concept of COINCIDENCE. -- So you say: things are like they are because they CAN'T be different, BUT(!) still it isn't somebodies WILL that cannot be changed, it's COINCIDENCE THAT CANNOT BE CHANGED. (that simple!)You know: will coincidenceAnd it cannot be changed because the time is linear and it goes in one direction.------------------------Quote: "the earth/universe being the creator of all and it was never created. But this would mean that by all physical laws that are in this universe, the universe would need something to create it,or prick it into the creation period,correct? Hmmmmmmm......perhaps an explosion?From what though....what started it?NOTHING can just appear to start something without an intelligent creator, proving the existence of some intelligence, which leads to God, proving the fact without the Bible...."The creator, the unit bearer of logic, is not needed. The logic is embeded into what Space itself (an empty Space) is created of. Every single part (partical) of it beares the logic for further functioning of greater entities - it's like mechanism of the mechanism of the mechanism of the mechanism... (and so on)The only force in Space is the mecahnical force - because there is only changing of positon of entities (even if we talk about photons (never mind what photons: light, X-rays, infra red...), even if we talk about magnetic force, or heating of the supstances (vibrating molecules), or surface pressure of liquids, or any other force...What started the explosion - gravity. Presure made substance go into fusion... Why there is gravity? Because all matters are attracted to eachother (essentially)...Center of the Earth is molten because of gravity pressure on its core. Proof: lava from vulcanoes. ------------------------------Now: all of this doesn't endanger religion, because when every being with potential of inteligence (ia child) is created its brain is empty of information. In other words - they kow nothing. So you must start easy on them, give them temporary answers. Then, latter, they seek for real answers. Religion provides those temporary answers (the unreal ones). Althoug I was ALWAYS (ever since I acquired knowledge of selfexistance) inteligent ENOUGH to know that God does not exist. That tendention was because I noticed a paradox: I was always good and just toward everyone, yet - bad things were happening to me. Else (if bad things weren't happening to me): it wouldn't matter wheither He exist or not (as long as it's good things for me), so I would believe (cause I wouldn't care).The only justice there is is the one we create (not some - "god").Our acts and acts of others and nature decide our faith, not something not of this world.---------------------------- **************************** ----------------------------Explain this: if your "God" is logic - then: what is the carrier of that logic (like brain matter is carrier of our logic). Then...: if God was in this general Space of ours before EVERYTHING else, how he came to be there - and I'm asking this because everything that is logic has a bearer of it and that bearer must be SOMETHING, not NOTHING, and if its something it must take some space = it must have its coordinates (e.i. exists in certan part of whole thing of 'Space'), AND THEN(!) (this is my point) IF THERE WAS UNITAR LOGIC (the bearer of logic called God) THEN IT MEANS THAT SOMETHING MUST HAVE EXISTED BEFORE THAT LOGIC SETTLED UPON IT - WHICH MEANS THAT AFTER ALL SOMETHING DID EXISTED BEFORE GOD IN ORDER FOR LOGIC CALLED GOD TO MATERIALISE IN IT TO FORFILL IT (in order to EXIST), WHICH MEANS THAT GOD ISN'T THE FIRST THING THAT EXISTED. ...and that, my friend, means that there is no purpose for term of GOD, because something else that was a mean (a resource) to bear God and further create everything already existed, and also: Everything works autonomusly (on its own), there is not need for THE UNIT of logic... ...so Space is creator - which proves even my theory above yours (which means that your theory is less important, which means that your theory is incorrect because now it's prooved that the thing of my theory was first (and that was the thing to be determined).There is no need for unit inteligence, logic is embeded in evrything.
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