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Re: Same Place, Same Time
I_KNOW_WHOM_TO_CLONE ( 12/30/2004, 14:20:37 )Even if we PUT ASIDE that it is unimaginable, unexplainable, ilogical and imposible to exist out of this reality - What does two or more things occupying the same place at the same time has to do with being able to exist without space? I mean - even if they occupy the same space together - they still occupy the space!You can't say that space is not limmiting factor for them; even if they somehow intersect at the same place, or gain greater density in order to occupy less space individualy, so more of them could be at the same place at the same time, they still exist (e.i. exist HERE!).-So, I'll stop you diverging the theme into the wrong direction, and again put in context the context itself:THERE IS NO CONCEPT OF 'EXISTING' WITHOUT CONCEPT OF 'SPACE',and that is the main argument (itself) because of the main THEME is:THERE IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE PRIOR TO GOD (and THAT'S ALL (ALL!) that is to this thread - it's undissmisable, undeniable)---------------------- SPACE - PRIOR TO GOD. e.i. whereabouts of God needed e.i. eveything that exist is somewhere, and somewhere imlyies space (as I explained: there are no diferent dimentions because there is no time (time is a fifth-wheel concept in context of universe) - only movement (with Constant of speed at the top of the hierarchy of matter)) e.i. He didn't create it because it had to exist before Him. e.i. it would be the only thing that could bring him in existancse e.i. it has (so-called) "power of creation" e.i. it can create everything e.i. God is not needed, and what is not needed has no purpose, and what has no purpose shouldn't be object of (any)ones interest nor attention (of any kind).(of course at any time someone/something can step-down and say "I am the God.", and start punishing everyone who don't believe in what he said - but: nevertheless is he really bearer of that exact concept?)***************** (by-the-way: Why are we considering "God" in context of REAL things (REALITY) when "God" (at the first point) is a product of human imagination?!?) (It's like theists are counting on: "let's talk about God - let's just talk, let's just mention God - even if the purpose is rejection of the very concept of him")) *****************--------------------------------- I think that Light Speed Constant is crucial to discovering the truth about Space (everything) - I think that it can lead us to constant of space (minimal space), or minimal event (the unit of event (minimal change in possition in space) - minimal movement). Speed of Light Constant gives us a clue that things can't be infinite - that there must be a UNIT (now imagine how it would change math for example). The infinite sign would become a constant (i don't know - maybe the size of Space), and sign "0" (standing alone!) would be apsurd (imposible thing by definition) - it would rather represent value of 0,0000000000000000000...how much zeroes?...000000001, and have some completely new sign in order for first grade children not to have full notebook of zeroes for a single homework task being "1-1=?".Division by zero error(?!?) - there would be no such thing.Mathematicians would call it: "Concretisation Of The Mathematics" (or something...)...Square root of -1? Never heard of it...------------------ About: "You can claim that theists do not have convincing evidence that god, as they define it, exists. But you can't say you've proved the non-existence of God, without defining what in the world that word means." ..Why - everybody knows their definition of God - ever-existing eternal non-materialistic intendor of creation and events...But, nevertheless it has nothing to do with this (having in mind that they define "God" as UNITAR logic) - whatever they call "God" is affected by logic I proposed: first space, then everything else. If they would set everything upside-down and tell that God is not (all of the sudden!) UNITAR logic anymore, but the DISPERSED, GENERAL logic - that would be something completely different, but we already have a general and above all completely adequate term for it: "LOGIC".(and I also repeat: religion (made-up concepts based upon existance of supernatural all-mighty all-seeing beings) will always be NEEDED in societies of human beings (especialy the ones in early stages of development, those which are less organised and educated), because that is a mean to control people thorough basic instincts of fear and causion (from which superstition arises), and set them to be humans (not to become rootless animals) when they are at the begining of learning process - which starts after birth)Religion = half-truths, lies and metaphoricaly warped truth with purpose of welfare of humankind.
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