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Re: Those RELIGION vs EVOLUTION comments... Really...
I_KNOW_WHOM_TO_CLONE ( 12/15/2004, 13:17:38 )1.) As I've said - different chemical elements (supstance from which (among others) Earth was created) came from the explosion of some huge star - actually when star reaches certain mass it becomes a black whole, because its mass is so great that its gravity pulls even photons of light, so only high frequency electro-magnetic radiation can exit it (like X-rays) - so mass of that "thing" that exploded must be hugely greater than a mass of the black hole (needless to say: it created galaxies - how huge it must be then). All chemical elements were created by nuclear fusion. How did the matter of that "star" (the very first supstance) (most probably HYDROGEN - the most simple chemical element (one proton, one electron)) appeared in empty space - nobody knows (it's yet to be discovered (one thing after another)), but everything after that is not a theory - it's very close to what happened in reality. As I've said - it is possible that empty space is actualy mass of smalest possible particles that make up quantum particles which make subatomic particles, which make supstance... As I've said - to determine how matter appeared in the first place in empty space we must first know how huge the space is, and what's its shape...2.) Come on! What evolution has to do with creation of substance?!?! Those are completely different terms, you can't put them in a context like that... Evolution is process of biological entities adapting to environment and conditions. EVOLUTION IS A FACT. Creatures change according to their environment. Look at praying mantises - how many different subspecies of them there are - each adapted for environment their predecesors lived in. Evolution happens in-front of your very eyes, yet you refuse to see it! How do you explain that see mammals have flippers!?! They are mammals(!) - they so obviously look like some of the common ground creatures like weasels or martens or beavers for example. It is so obvious that some time ago they walked on the ground (on their legs with claws on their feet), but because they've realised that there is more food under the water they started swimming. Generation by generation their bodies changed addapting to water environment! How hard is it for you to realise that. Or the even more obvious example you can see for yourself: a man has a child and that child is completely normal (and the children of that child, and so on...), but then he gets a little irradiated, so all the children he gets after that are different (for example - all of them have leuchemia or some other illness, or some abnormal physical characteristics); and even some of his grandchildren have the same specific syndrom, although no-one had that syndrom before in his family, nor the families of other (incoming) parents of the children in his family tree. So - what happened? Something changed in his genom! And that's evolution!The problem in prooving evolution, you and people like you count on, is that it is hard to find and show at a present time a creature that is diferent than its parents, or the changes are so small that you can dissmiss them.Evolution is something that happens slowly, during bilions of years - one (amall) thing changes after another because of chemical/radiation effect on the genom of creatures.3.) I can't understand why you're trying to defend 'creationalism'... It's mindless! Its like you made yourself believe that the holy books really came from God himself! People invented it, and wrote it down. Just like two of us can invent whole system of believes from scratch - right now!!Here it is(!!): let us say that there is (and always was!) a green bean with (sort of) little red spots in shape of the lemon, and that It is somewhere over-there and that It has Its pointy minions that were spread all over the sky by It - the green bean; and they blow holes in the cheese, so when the cheese became yellow from blowing, an elf came and squorted some milk out of his cow, and thus the man was created, so he (the man)(let's call him Hozzenpheffer) jumped all-over the cheese until the Earth was created so he went to Earth on his flying frogg and he drinked the water so he hicked up and the fairy-godmother dropped from the cloud, so at the place where she had fallen the pumpkin grew-up, so they ate the pumpkin, and the animals were created because the pumpkin was in shape of a cube; and beacause of eating the pumpkin the fairy and the man got horny so they started a game of cards, and thus little people came out of the rocks around them; so the only thing those people were left to do is to praise the bean about which they heard from Hozzenpheffer and he heard it from the elf and the elf heard it from the cheese, and the cheese heard it from the pointi minion beans of The Bean up somewhere-over-there. I proclaim you my first apostole, thus: you are my first apostole - spread the word, a true religion has arrived! Got any further suggestons to fill in the details(?) - everything is opened for suggestions.We can think-up countless stories about how things came to be, but there is THE FACT (ONE huge fact regarding EVERYTHING), you know, and everyone saine can understand that process of creatures adapting to their environment is a part of that FACT.4.) What do you mean by "Until it has it's origins found, it is a theory.", what do you mean by "origins"? You mean: proof? I've said what are the proofs. Only if you simply DON'T WANT (and nothing more) to accept facts - then you'll be persistant in otherwise, and then it means that reason has nothing to do with your viewpoints and persistance in them, and then it means that I'm just losing my time for nothing.5.) About "Where did our so called one-celled things come from?How did they just appear, and all of the sudden and just 'make life'?". As I explained - first there were simple molecules that could replicate themselves (floating between water molecules, going around) - imagine a molecule chain, then imagine that molecules from the environment add upon that molecule chain, and the original molecule "cuts-off" (which is chemical reaction) the rest of the molecules from the environment, leaving only atoms or sub-molecules that make-up a replicant (a copy) of that molecule from the begining of the story. Then the copy of it makes another copy of itself, and so on. While doing so from generation to generation it changes because parts of molecules from the environment stay with the new copy if they are in order with above mentioned logic in chemical reactions (or - better yet: if they are important). Little by little you have a microorganism (like virus), then more complex one (like bacteria), and at last two of those microorganisms stay together, each getting its function because each does one thing more then the other one (providing for eachother). Using the same mechanism a huge amount of cells add-upon (each with it's distinct function (because its easier and more practical to have few simpler mechanisms each doing its part of job, instead of having one huge unit (which would be more succeptible to failing because of its complexity)) - so: you have a multy-cell organism... They spread all around, and then every group of them changes into something else because each adapts to their chemical and physical environment...As I've said: dead matter has a possibility to become alive (look at food-chain). There is some logic in chemistry (chemical reactions) - the logic in interaction between different chemical elements (atoms) - that logic supports concept called life. Property called "life" is inside the matter (logic needed for existance of something called "life").By exploring genom (DNA) of some creature, maybe it's possible to find out the CORE (that first molecule which had an ability to replicate itself (life)).**************** In conclusion: important thing in all of this is to give CORRECT(!) DIRECTIONS (ways of logic) in exploration of our world in order to find out definite truth (the one and only truth about our world). Science gives more correct directions - I'm talking about evolution, and how our world (when it was still dead) was created. Religion has nothing to do with all of this.
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